The end of the lean script...for now?
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Falcon187420
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Again, I think scripting is cheating...with that said...
I'm not going to try to "educate" you with my opinion on this. You obviously have a different opinion, and that's OK. I used definitions from the dictionary if you'd notice in my earlier post.
exploit < cheat
Your deductive explanation doesn't sway my opinion the least bit.
They should've dealt with this bug with one of the patches. It's not a pb issue, nor an OSP issue, it's a raven software development team issue.
GGS, this topic has been beat down from every direction for a long time...it's simply not worth my time. Besides it's your forum, your topic and your opinions. I just stopped in and gave my 3.5 cents.
I'm not going to try to "educate" you with my opinion on this. You obviously have a different opinion, and that's OK. I used definitions from the dictionary if you'd notice in my earlier post.
exploit < cheat
Your deductive explanation doesn't sway my opinion the least bit.
They should've dealt with this bug with one of the patches. It's not a pb issue, nor an OSP issue, it's a raven software development team issue.
GGS, this topic has been beat down from every direction for a long time...it's simply not worth my time. Besides it's your forum, your topic and your opinions. I just stopped in and gave my 3.5 cents.
To be honest with you falcon I could really give a rats ass whether I convince you or not, but to take a broken game mechanic and use it to your advantage is cheating.
And as far as scripting goes... SCRIPTING IS BUILT INTO THE GAME... so you are calling a part of the game that functions 100% normally cheating and exploiting a known bug...yes something not working as intended, unlike scripting.... NOT a cheat is silly as hell. I willsay that a lot of the move scripts are cheats, but hey man, everyone can do it so it isnt cheating right? :rollseyes:
You are wrong, you dont think you are, I dont expect you to change your mind, but coming from 4 mmorpg's and 5 FPS online games over the past 7 years I am telling you that your definitions are wrong. Using a bug is cheating. It does not matter if everyone can use it, that just means everyone can cheat.
There is a thing lacking in online gaming, it is call honor, few have it, luckily here there is some and I respect every phxer for that.
People with respect for others gaming experience with honor do not abuse bugs (read cheat). Those without honor but not actually actively seek to ruin someone elses game will use readily available bugs and not call them cheats,. Those people who want to ruin your day for entertainment will use bugs, scripts, taunts, you name it to make your day bad.
I am an extremist about cheating yes, comes from playing ladder games on 3 fps games and watching them get ruined by exploiting, scripts, ping attacks etc.
And no I dont have my shots, and hating cheats and cheaters is a fetish of mine.
We disagree falcon, but I wont let go of the argument, if you want we can start throwing out examples of exploits and start showing how grey the area actually is, it is ALL cheating
probably best that you drop it, I dont like berating people.
And as far as scripting goes... SCRIPTING IS BUILT INTO THE GAME... so you are calling a part of the game that functions 100% normally cheating and exploiting a known bug...yes something not working as intended, unlike scripting.... NOT a cheat is silly as hell. I willsay that a lot of the move scripts are cheats, but hey man, everyone can do it so it isnt cheating right? :rollseyes:
You are wrong, you dont think you are, I dont expect you to change your mind, but coming from 4 mmorpg's and 5 FPS online games over the past 7 years I am telling you that your definitions are wrong. Using a bug is cheating. It does not matter if everyone can use it, that just means everyone can cheat.
There is a thing lacking in online gaming, it is call honor, few have it, luckily here there is some and I respect every phxer for that.
People with respect for others gaming experience with honor do not abuse bugs (read cheat). Those without honor but not actually actively seek to ruin someone elses game will use readily available bugs and not call them cheats,. Those people who want to ruin your day for entertainment will use bugs, scripts, taunts, you name it to make your day bad.
I am an extremist about cheating yes, comes from playing ladder games on 3 fps games and watching them get ruined by exploiting, scripts, ping attacks etc.
And no I dont have my shots, and hating cheats and cheaters is a fetish of mine.
We disagree falcon, but I wont let go of the argument, if you want we can start throwing out examples of exploits and start showing how grey the area actually is, it is ALL cheating
probably best that you drop it, I dont like berating people.
...an EXPLOIT defiles the spirit of the game, and thus, is labelled as a CHEAT by hard-liner players.
I agree that it is not a CHEAT exactly. But it's use in the game CHEAPENS those who use it as it is viewed as a CHEAT by the majority players.
So in the end, although it's technically an EXPLOIT, it's perceived as a CHEAT and thus is a CHEAT, allbeit an EXPLOIT used as a CHEAT to pad stats by CHEAPENED players who deliberately use scripts as CHEATS rather than as EXPLOITS (for which they were originally intended) just as a way to annoy hard-liners and sympathetic casuals (like me), to get CHEAP thrills and kills, and, as mentioned above, to pad their stats.
I agree that it is not a CHEAT exactly. But it's use in the game CHEAPENS those who use it as it is viewed as a CHEAT by the majority players.
So in the end, although it's technically an EXPLOIT, it's perceived as a CHEAT and thus is a CHEAT, allbeit an EXPLOIT used as a CHEAT to pad stats by CHEAPENED players who deliberately use scripts as CHEATS rather than as EXPLOITS (for which they were originally intended) just as a way to annoy hard-liners and sympathetic casuals (like me), to get CHEAP thrills and kills, and, as mentioned above, to pad their stats.
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Falcon187420
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Heh,
I haven't checked this post cause I thought it was over. I don't really mind if any of you have lost respect for me over this. I have my feelings about this 'game' and you have yours. I had to deal with the crouch lean bug (when people used scripts to breakdance in front of me), so I learned to fight fire with fire and survive. I used to complain about this same issue, but found that I was just complaining about a shoot em up game and it was trivial in my book.
GGs and I'll kill ya later, while I'm leaning or not...
^MOB^ Toke Of Death
Formerly Falcon187420
I haven't checked this post cause I thought it was over. I don't really mind if any of you have lost respect for me over this. I have my feelings about this 'game' and you have yours. I had to deal with the crouch lean bug (when people used scripts to breakdance in front of me), so I learned to fight fire with fire and survive. I used to complain about this same issue, but found that I was just complaining about a shoot em up game and it was trivial in my book.
GGs and I'll kill ya later, while I'm leaning or not...
^MOB^ Toke Of Death
Formerly Falcon187420
umm... whatever. It is cheating, ... I wont give it up bro. Just because you decided "if you cant beat them join them" does not make it any less so. You pretty much admit you see it as cheating (or did at one point) but changed your tune to be compteitive.I learned to fight fire with fire
And yes it is just a game, so just let it go... as I said I will NOT let you saying it is ok be the end of this thread... this is my gaming home and I refuse to let any thread end with anyone condoning exploiting which IS cheating.
kk buh bye... now drop it.
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Undead_Mercenary
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Hey I want my say!! Yaz you are the king man, he is totally right! Actually speaking of crouch lean, the clan we played last night we're chocked full of it. It makes them very difficult to kill, since its a god damn exploit. So we're there, honest and hard working players trying to do our best, when all they have to do is look at us the wrong way and we die. It was pathetic on our side, yes, but so very frustrating cuz you know the other team is using "something". And actually, i guess that had pity on us during the match and they tked each other the whole time. Fuck them and their pity. Well I just about had it. I let them have it. I told them them they were all lame and using an exploit is frickin gay. And the only thing the captain said was: "IT WORKS!" Thankfully, IDO calmed me down or else i would of REALLY let them have it. Im sorry, but I told believe that competitive gaming in SOF is utter bull shit. We are 1 of the only honest clans out there not using ANYTHING, and our wins and losses proves it. So to all the clans that use that crouch lean exploit or any other shit, I say fuck you, you've ruined yet another game! 
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Falcon187420
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Hahahah, have I pissed you off yet Yaz? Sorry to tell ya that I've been pushing your buttons on purpose. I could've just as easily not even said anything and let you vent your frustration.
Honesty and ethics are admirable, but adaptation is the key to survival. Until this bug/exploit/cheat is fixed, good luck againts the other 95% of the Sof2 community that uses the crouch lean at some point and time in their Sof2 gaming.
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Honesty and ethics are admirable, but adaptation is the key to survival. Until this bug/exploit/cheat is fixed, good luck againts the other 95% of the Sof2 community that uses the crouch lean at some point and time in their Sof2 gaming.
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My problem is that it reflects poorly on either the gaming community or just the SOF2 community, take your pick. But whenever you say something to someone that uses the shuffle or crouch lean they comeback with lame ass statements like “everyone else is doing it†or my favorite “Yeah it’s an exploit but it OWNZâ€. It just goes to show that there are a lot of people that suck at SOF2 and need every shuffle bind, crouch leaning advantage they can get.
If they really had to play on a even playing field with no haxing or exploits they would be average or just plain SUCK. I think that this is one big reason why when we started competing we held our own and were good competition. Since we do not to lower ourselves to use cheats and exploits and we try (and yes I will emphasis TRY hehe), to use strategies and talent to win. If you use hax or exploits because the other team is using it I see your point (kind of). If you use it because it “OWNZ†be honest YOU SUCK. I will be interested how good these same teams will be if OSP 3f does fix the issue.
If they really had to play on a even playing field with no haxing or exploits they would be average or just plain SUCK. I think that this is one big reason why when we started competing we held our own and were good competition. Since we do not to lower ourselves to use cheats and exploits and we try (and yes I will emphasis TRY hehe), to use strategies and talent to win. If you use hax or exploits because the other team is using it I see your point (kind of). If you use it because it “OWNZ†be honest YOU SUCK. I will be interested how good these same teams will be if OSP 3f does fix the issue.
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