Sup guys,
I just happened by the eof forum when I spotted an interesting news event...GeneralH caught cheating....
I then proceed to run into clip on the eof server and he tells me that he quit because you guys wouldn't get rid of GenH...is this true? I see nothing of the newsworthy event on your boards.
I certainly hope that you guys don't condone that sort of, what should we call it, sportmanship? I just wanted to get the full skinny from you guys rather than taking other guys words for it.
I would also like to hear your guys take on the pictures?
DOES PHX CONDONE CHEATING?
What kind of a question is that KEV, seriously.
Of course PHX is against cheating. And you think because PHX doesn't get rid of people the second a controversy starts, we are somehow inept?
GeneralH either cheated or was set up. No one really knows but GeneralH and Ashke ... and they both say exact opposite things.
Now if I wanted to set someone up, its not hard to do.
If Ashke's friend names himself GeneralH and uses a wallhack to get a legit looking shot, why wouldn't it work? We live in the year 2002 and life isn't as simple as "seeing is believing".
This kind of crap goes on ALL THE TIME in politics. Smear tactics. If we're not fast enough for you KEV and others, too bad. We'll deal with our own.
And as far as clip goes, I can't see clip quitting because we didnt ban a member "fast enough" and until I hear it from clip, its all gossip.
I really hate soap operas. "Days of our online lives"
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Of course PHX is against cheating. And you think because PHX doesn't get rid of people the second a controversy starts, we are somehow inept?
GeneralH either cheated or was set up. No one really knows but GeneralH and Ashke ... and they both say exact opposite things.
Now if I wanted to set someone up, its not hard to do.
If Ashke's friend names himself GeneralH and uses a wallhack to get a legit looking shot, why wouldn't it work? We live in the year 2002 and life isn't as simple as "seeing is believing".
This kind of crap goes on ALL THE TIME in politics. Smear tactics. If we're not fast enough for you KEV and others, too bad. We'll deal with our own.
And as far as clip goes, I can't see clip quitting because we didnt ban a member "fast enough" and until I hear it from clip, its all gossip.
I really hate soap operas. "Days of our online lives"
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Hey XoR,
Thanks for the reply, and I must say it is a perfectly legit question. Did I state anywhere that I demanded that GeneralH be kicked out? NO.
Just be thankful I have the courtesy to ask. Most folks wouldn't, so I am giving you guys, the entire clan, the benefit of the doubt...
So is the PHX party line that this was a setup? If so, why? What would motivate the admin from arranging this "setup"?
I am aware of the year we live, and your simple "conspiracy theory" is just as invalid as you claim Ashke's "proof" is.
Regarding Clip, I don't expect you to take my word for it. As a matter of fact, after speaking with him and Kyoudan, I decided to find out for myself...as I would expect any intelligent person to do.
As it is, I still value your guys take on the whole thing and the sooner this is put to rest the better.
Thanks for the reply, and I must say it is a perfectly legit question. Did I state anywhere that I demanded that GeneralH be kicked out? NO.
Just be thankful I have the courtesy to ask. Most folks wouldn't, so I am giving you guys, the entire clan, the benefit of the doubt...
So is the PHX party line that this was a setup? If so, why? What would motivate the admin from arranging this "setup"?
I am aware of the year we live, and your simple "conspiracy theory" is just as invalid as you claim Ashke's "proof" is.
Regarding Clip, I don't expect you to take my word for it. As a matter of fact, after speaking with him and Kyoudan, I decided to find out for myself...as I would expect any intelligent person to do.
As it is, I still value your guys take on the whole thing and the sooner this is put to rest the better.
You honestly think I would take the time to "set up" GeneralH? I really don't care all that much nor do I give a rats ass for the poltics of the situation which there are none. We've had complaints about him for some time so I looked into it, especially since he was about to win this months stats. I spectated him for 2 days straight and I saw what people were talking about, which was his uncanny ablility to know where people were around corners. I didn't ban him out right because I had respect for Arch and PHX.
I continued to look into it and took screenshots of him via punkbuster (which all show up in the logs I sent to Arch). The GUID in those screenshots match the GUID of PHX-GeneralH. No one played as him, no one set him up. Those are all legit captures. I've sent my logs to Arch so he could look at this and you can verify the GUID in those screenshots to the one used by GeneralH.
This has nothing to do with politics. If I didn't want him on my server, he wouldve been banned outright. I like having regulars on my server, people who play often and people with skill. I would have no reason to want him off the server. He is a hack. He cheats. Rally behind him all you want but I have nothing to gain by calling him a hack, by taking the time to spectate him for 2 days and take multiple screenshots of him other than to keep my server as legit as I can make it.
People in his own clan have said hes used hacks in the past. In my eyes, once a hack always a hack. Theres nothing left to be said.
I continued to look into it and took screenshots of him via punkbuster (which all show up in the logs I sent to Arch). The GUID in those screenshots match the GUID of PHX-GeneralH. No one played as him, no one set him up. Those are all legit captures. I've sent my logs to Arch so he could look at this and you can verify the GUID in those screenshots to the one used by GeneralH.
This has nothing to do with politics. If I didn't want him on my server, he wouldve been banned outright. I like having regulars on my server, people who play often and people with skill. I would have no reason to want him off the server. He is a hack. He cheats. Rally behind him all you want but I have nothing to gain by calling him a hack, by taking the time to spectate him for 2 days and take multiple screenshots of him other than to keep my server as legit as I can make it.
People in his own clan have said hes used hacks in the past. In my eyes, once a hack always a hack. Theres nothing left to be said.
Fair points both of you.
I was unaware of GUID's in SOF2. I guess that's that.
*sigh*
I was unaware of GUID's in SOF2. I guess that's that.
*sigh*
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Undead_Mercenary
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oooooooooo my frickin god
THIS IS CRAZY! I cant believe such things as this go on. ITS A GOD DAMN GAME! And now we have politics and shit all mixed up in it. U guys are ruining the game. I dont know if gen cheated or not... he just said he used it before just to test it. To be honest, ive sen him play during matches and he wasnt doing as good in eof. Now, y would some1 go out of there way to cheat on a simple (laggy) server to get a lousy t-shirt than use it during a match to help his clan? Just a thought. Im not saying anything. But like i said before, its a game and only a game. If pl, cheat, then bye-bye. If they dont, stop accusing them. Man, we got almost like mini politics with monarchie and crap lol. Oh well, nuff said. G2G
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AngryNakedClown
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No, undead, GenH is the one who took the gem out of the donut, not ashke here. It is just a game, and GenH (for who knows what reason) has decided to cheat and has cheated for a while. I don't see any politics happening here. But I do see a lot of denial of the truth of the matter here. Why would someone go out of their way to cheat? Why? I think GenH said it was to compensate for his ping... but thats a load of crap. My guess is that he did it because he wanted to be better than he was, and didn't want to work for it. But whatever. People can think what they want, and I know what I think.
Thx KEV for taking the time to talk with us on this matter. It shows both heart and character.
Thx Ashke for posting as well. You ARE in this matter so your voice should be heard.
Thx Clown for posting to show the typical sentiment of regular players on EOF.
Thx to our own members response to the above posts.
The following is MY OPINION ONLY and shouldn't be taken as clan opinion:
Now, GenH was "honest" with his cheating within the clan in the way an investigative journalist uses whatever means to get the skinny on a hot topic.
Sry Ashke, but many cheat on EOF. PB does crap exept block old bots. Does Norton Anti-Virus block ALL viruses???? No, it's reactive just like PB is as I understand it.
Players (1 specifically that I witnessed) do get witnessed typing in "supicious" console commands on EOF. It is a damn good policy you have Ashke (to kik hacks) but you don't(can't) administer justice to all the hacks. You're simply not on EOF enuf of the time...
GenH, to me, hasn't shown the typical characteristics of a "cheater-for-profit". "For-profit" cheaters usually brag, mince words up with others, ALWAYS win according to kill ratios, use harder-to-use weapons to "show" skill and generally belittle top players to feed their superiority-complexes.
When has GenH ever belittled anyone except those who bug him constantly for using the Usas??? (remember, the Ak is associated with the top players and cheaters would usually feel the need to beat these players with their own weapons)
I use the Usas at times and people pick on me for it. Am I a cheater 'cuz I'm 17/8 (kill ratio). I am also wickedly inconsistant in my gameplay. I'm either very hot or very cold. One game I'm 4/10, next game 17/5, next game 3/12. Am I a cheater during that one game? (making no reference to GenH situation) Sadly, my score is like that because the Usas has sapped my skills with other weapons. It's the only fun gun in an otherwise boring game as of late...
In fact, most PHX have said SoF2 has become boring as Mayberry and take the usas 'cuz of its funfactor. That's why people can say PHX has become a Usas-clan...
Me and these dam-long posts of late....
Anywho, I think this is all over nothing but hysteria. Take away the emotion (bantering back and forth) of it all and it will all simmer down.
For those who do, calling PHX "all cheaters" is like calling Germans "all Hitlers". Not accurate nor even responsible personal conduct.
I could write more but I don't want to go on, and, on, and on....
PHX, SG1 and EOF have been pals long enuf to work through this like adults and should try to do so. I'm noone's daddy and I don't want to be so please don't take this post as such!
By the way Aske, has anybody asked you if GenH would be unbanned if he explained his entire actions (good or bad) on multiple forums? (hope that's not stepping on any one's toes???)
Thanks for reading.
FGO
Thx Ashke for posting as well. You ARE in this matter so your voice should be heard.
Thx Clown for posting to show the typical sentiment of regular players on EOF.
Thx to our own members response to the above posts.
The following is MY OPINION ONLY and shouldn't be taken as clan opinion:
Now, GenH was "honest" with his cheating within the clan in the way an investigative journalist uses whatever means to get the skinny on a hot topic.
Sry Ashke, but many cheat on EOF. PB does crap exept block old bots. Does Norton Anti-Virus block ALL viruses???? No, it's reactive just like PB is as I understand it.
Players (1 specifically that I witnessed) do get witnessed typing in "supicious" console commands on EOF. It is a damn good policy you have Ashke (to kik hacks) but you don't(can't) administer justice to all the hacks. You're simply not on EOF enuf of the time...
GenH, to me, hasn't shown the typical characteristics of a "cheater-for-profit". "For-profit" cheaters usually brag, mince words up with others, ALWAYS win according to kill ratios, use harder-to-use weapons to "show" skill and generally belittle top players to feed their superiority-complexes.
When has GenH ever belittled anyone except those who bug him constantly for using the Usas??? (remember, the Ak is associated with the top players and cheaters would usually feel the need to beat these players with their own weapons)
I use the Usas at times and people pick on me for it. Am I a cheater 'cuz I'm 17/8 (kill ratio). I am also wickedly inconsistant in my gameplay. I'm either very hot or very cold. One game I'm 4/10, next game 17/5, next game 3/12. Am I a cheater during that one game? (making no reference to GenH situation) Sadly, my score is like that because the Usas has sapped my skills with other weapons. It's the only fun gun in an otherwise boring game as of late...
In fact, most PHX have said SoF2 has become boring as Mayberry and take the usas 'cuz of its funfactor. That's why people can say PHX has become a Usas-clan...
Me and these dam-long posts of late....
Anywho, I think this is all over nothing but hysteria. Take away the emotion (bantering back and forth) of it all and it will all simmer down.
For those who do, calling PHX "all cheaters" is like calling Germans "all Hitlers". Not accurate nor even responsible personal conduct.
I could write more but I don't want to go on, and, on, and on....
PHX, SG1 and EOF have been pals long enuf to work through this like adults and should try to do so. I'm noone's daddy and I don't want to be so please don't take this post as such!
By the way Aske, has anybody asked you if GenH would be unbanned if he explained his entire actions (good or bad) on multiple forums? (hope that's not stepping on any one's toes???)
Thanks for reading.
FGO
GeneralH will not be unbanned. I have 0 tolerance for cheaters, expecially from clans I respect and like playing with. Yes I'm aware there are other cheaters than GeneralH. Does this make it ok for him to cheat then? Hell no it doesnt. Tge bottom line is, I caught him. I have evidence against him and I thought I was doing PHX a favor by telling them they had a hack in their clan, but instead I get called a liar. I have evidence and all GeneralH has is his word.
As far as I'm concerned the releationship between EOF and PHX has worn thin. The minute I brought this up, people have defended GeneralH and bashed my "laggy" server and theorize that I "set him up". I don't need to deal with that shit and I have been nothing but kind and receptive to requests, ideas and input for any and all members of PHX.
And also, I watch the server more than you know. Just because I'm not on there getting shot in the ass, I'm always watching.
As far as I'm concerned the releationship between EOF and PHX has worn thin. The minute I brought this up, people have defended GeneralH and bashed my "laggy" server and theorize that I "set him up". I don't need to deal with that shit and I have been nothing but kind and receptive to requests, ideas and input for any and all members of PHX.
And also, I watch the server more than you know. Just because I'm not on there getting shot in the ass, I'm always watching.
I dont see my involvement in this disussion as "defending GenH" or "calling EOF "laggy"".
I'm trying to bring in a perpective that people can atleast help all the involved see the conditions of GenH's actions. I'm not judging GenH as being right or wrong. I'm trying to get to the point of *why* he wallhacked. If you remember the investigative journalist analogy I brought to the table, that was one reason "why". Another is probably frustration.
I went a hole week awhile ago single-shot deaths every single time while I had to shot someone literally 6 times point-blank with a shottie. Did I complaion? No, I just reinstalled my game thinking maybe I was hacked into or something ludicris as that???? "Testing" a hack was only a dream since I've only had this computer 4 or 5 months now. I'm used to a Pentium 2. (quite a job forward) I had to get KoD to tell me how to change maxrates or something like that for christ sakes. My point is, if I knew how to implement a hack, I would of under a different name on a different server to see wtf was going on with my constant single-shot deaths. Thats why I can understand that reason; frustration.
i'll end it there for now. I don't know how well my long posts are absorbed/appreciated. I just like to explain myself in lump sums rather than in choppy posts. No, I don't mean any of you do chopy posts. I just get to many ideas rolling on, and, on, and on...
FGO
I'm trying to bring in a perpective that people can atleast help all the involved see the conditions of GenH's actions. I'm not judging GenH as being right or wrong. I'm trying to get to the point of *why* he wallhacked. If you remember the investigative journalist analogy I brought to the table, that was one reason "why". Another is probably frustration.
I went a hole week awhile ago single-shot deaths every single time while I had to shot someone literally 6 times point-blank with a shottie. Did I complaion? No, I just reinstalled my game thinking maybe I was hacked into or something ludicris as that???? "Testing" a hack was only a dream since I've only had this computer 4 or 5 months now. I'm used to a Pentium 2. (quite a job forward) I had to get KoD to tell me how to change maxrates or something like that for christ sakes. My point is, if I knew how to implement a hack, I would of under a different name on a different server to see wtf was going on with my constant single-shot deaths. Thats why I can understand that reason; frustration.
i'll end it there for now. I don't know how well my long posts are absorbed/appreciated. I just like to explain myself in lump sums rather than in choppy posts. No, I don't mean any of you do chopy posts. I just get to many ideas rolling on, and, on, and on...
FGO
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Ironwolf //bayd
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Ironwolf //bayd
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Ashke, now I understand why Daniel was booted. However I was under the mistaken idea for his banning for 6 months or so and it didn't affect my view of the SG1 clan one bit.
I really think children that are seeking a reason to hate or denigrate a clan will latch onto the if one cheats they all cheat mindset. Adults will realize neither you nor I can say what anyone has loaded on their computer. It is evident that PB can't stop cheating.
Losers built better hacks is all.
Also the fact that GenH is an irritation with his USAS is more of an issue than anyone admits to. I hate the damn USAS however it is in the game. GenH used it effectively and that annoyed many people. I think this along with the proof of hacking is why such a groundswell on anger happened.
I really think children that are seeking a reason to hate or denigrate a clan will latch onto the if one cheats they all cheat mindset. Adults will realize neither you nor I can say what anyone has loaded on their computer. It is evident that PB can't stop cheating.
Losers built better hacks is all.
Also the fact that GenH is an irritation with his USAS is more of an issue than anyone admits to. I hate the damn USAS however it is in the game. GenH used it effectively and that annoyed many people. I think this along with the proof of hacking is why such a groundswell on anger happened.
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