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[FatGayOrc]

Sorry Ashke.
I was going on our forum posts about SG1 conversing on third-party forums.
Also, I meant that you said that "everyone says everyone cheats on EOF but doesn't tell admin". My fault on your translation of my statement due to poor sentence grammar.

Sorry IDO.
I cant remember who stated SG1 was PHX-bashing. Yes, I would tell you who and when if I could remeber. Lots of posts to sift through...

And yes, I agree name-calling is childish and hope we can all see its the emotions talking, not reason.

I don't mean to add to the furry, but I am trying to get some neutral-as-can-be-had-at-this-time discussion.

I can't remember (too many posts) is I stated this on a public forum, or only on the private one. I stated that GenH's "entire actions" should be looked at, not just the "cheating actions".

Is it possible to cheat for "good" reasons (investigative jounalist analogy).
If a jounalist buys child porn over the Net to get the skinny for his broadcast/story, is he a criminal since its illegal to poccess such material? Wrong to own it, right to inform people of the skinny?

I'm not trying to irk you Aske (or IDO or anyone). Just trying to get you to observe the real reason GenH did the deed. Not so you "have to unban him" but so the issue can mellow out and be dealt with to an acceptable resolution for all parties.

Thx,
FGO

[Ashke]

Well according to Arch, I made it all up. I sat here posting all day defending my actions just for the hell of it because I care so much..about what I don't know. So long PHX, I hope the rest of you realize what a fucking joke the integrity of this clan is and move on.

[FatGayOrc]

Harsh words Aske but I feel I understand from where you're coming from.
Been there myself a few times in the past.
Frustrating, I know.
Such conflicts always are, unfortunantly...

FGO

[BigPoppaT]

!ow this is all really crazy that this all happened so fast. 3-4 days ago every1 were all friends we had no problems wit the admnistrators, they had none with us.... but now, so many rumors and lies are going around that im sure somebody is getting so pissed off right now its unimaginable.

So with that said i will be the peaceful moderator and recommend that u ALL JUST STOP. 4get what people said thought or did. forget if they called u a hack, bitch, slut, cunt, faggot, homo, fucker, or bitch....just forget it. i dont even understand why this got anywhere beyond phx and the EOF server. they shud have said we caught GenH for many days we just wanted to let you know why he's banned do what u want with him. that could have been everything right there but instead seemingly everybody knows about this. He could have been some guy that just dissapeared and no1 knows where they went(For example i had no clue that n@v was banned and it could of stayed like that) but the fact that GenH was in this clan, which is generally thought to be a rather good 1, must have compelled people to make sure EVERYONE they saw knew about it, and rather u think it or not, this clan looks 10 times worse than ever b4 b/c of this, which is why we've lost 3 of some of our best players(among other reasons) and (depending on what else happens) who knows who else might join them.

In addition to that, now everybody and they're crusty grandmothers are gonna wanna accuse every person as a hacker, and thats when everything is going to get really gay.now i didnt read what went on all these other clans sites but from what i hear this was all a bunch of slander and false claims and now not many are paying attention to the fact that it was just some guy who decided to cheat and could have been cheating for who knows how long.

The only upside i could possibly get out of this whole ordeal(i got that word off the soap opera im watchin now hehe) is that after this i dont know who would be dumb enough to ever go into EOF again with cheats since it has now been revealed that the admins watch the server more than evry1 thinks as well as undercover ones too that we play with all the time, and i dont know about all of u but i had no clue he was an admin.
Well anyways these are just the logical words of Big Poppa here and if u get mad about any of it-YOU CAN LICK MY #### (but theres a list as well as legal documents which require signing :fadein: i got many a hos to deal with)

But other than that have a great day and thanx to this i have found my newest quote: Please.....just please.....stop your bitchin'

[DTFK - Khyron]

PoppaT, I don't think it would have been a problem, like N@V getting banned and such if he didn't have so many kills on so many people on the server. Out of the 73 times I faced off with him, I only got him 14 times. No other person on the server has that much luck when facing off with me. Not clip, not meridian, not anyone near the top. That is why we all care so much about this. We've all died numerous upon numerous times to him.

-Khyron

[XoR]

So long PHX, I hope the rest of you realize what a fucking joke the integrity of this clan is and move on.

Now this kind of statement is completely retarted. You might be taking this matter a weee bit to seriously especially since you have banned GenH. Since he is banned, what does it matter to you now?

To come in here and say PHX's integrity is a [closes children's eyes]joke because things didnt turn out the way you wanted is basically saying "waaaa" and on our home turf to boot. That takes some big brass balls with a wheelbarrow.

Ashke, you need to just let it go and let PHX decide how we should deal with our friends. We are all adults here (are we?) and we all want to see cheat free environments as much as most everyone else, but this whole episode needs to end. This is beginning to become like being in church when we were young and the sermon whould go ON and ON and ON.

[Sillow]

Why is it that the people who want something to go away are those that benefit the least?

[Undead_Mercenary]

hehe im not an adult(yet!) but i know when to act like 1. Oh and Sillow, ur starting to piss me off. I cant belive this got out as it did. I have 1 more question for Ashke if he gets this : IF u said u had a large amount of respect for PHX and for Arch, WHY didnt u just send th pictures to Arch and just let this whole thing go on a little more discreetly. Very strange how u just found these pictures and just released them just like that without showing them to PHX first. I belive ur PHX thing is BS after doing that.

[Sillow]

Blah, gee Undead, I never meant to piss you off hehe.

Heh, why shouldn't this be known to everyone? He's a cheater. People thought something of him. And it was false. Kids should be disillusioned.

[WasteOskin]

I've kept my mouth shut on this for awhile now - because to be honest - it was a dead issue Sunday night when the guild made the decision not to ban Gen - I dont really give a rat's ass what anyone else thinks. Whether Gen hacked or not, is irrelevant now. If he didnt hack - you can dam well believe he never will, and if he did, hack - I doubt he will do it again after seeing all of this bs spread all over the web.

PHX has a no tolerance level for hacking. I hate hackers as much as anyone - if not more. I have not played as much lately (and ussually on EOF) because I can just tell that people are hacking - which is ruining the game. Personally, when I played with Gen, I never thought he hacked. If he did, he must suck at it because he never had the 18-2, 17-3 ratio's continuously that you would expect. Not like a number of people on EOF that for some reason get overlooked - oh wait - they are admins, that's right.......(idiots....)

I have never and will never hack - it's just that simple. I also dont feel we had enough evidence to ban Gen. Sorry Ashke, I don't know you from Adam, but everything I hear about you is that you are nothing but an egotistical maniac that "HAS" to be right all the time. I'm not calling you a liar......but it wouldnt suprise me if you went the extra mile to prove "YOUR" point. OOPS, bet I'm banned from EOF now......oh well, not like there aint another 500 servers to play on.................. :evilbat:

I'm just tired of reading about this crap. I'm too old and have to many other priorities to really care anymore. I play this game because I love it. I will continue to play this game because I love it. If I'm not banned from EOF, maybe I will see some of you around. If I am banned, so be it. Come see me on the PHX server and you will be welcome ( til you cheat of course.....)

This topic is closed and I doubt I will post about it again!!!! This was a PHX issue and was dealt with as a PHX issue. IT's FK'ING OVER!!!!! I dont care what everyone else thinks. Gen and Arch has been banned from EOF (another Ahske masterstroke.....). I am going to ask that all PHX members run demo's - we have to for matches anyways. With that, its over - get over it - go find another witch to burn!!!!

GIMME SOMEONE TO SHOOT!!!! :snipersmile:

[Afterburner/Aaron]

Ive heard alot of talk about this demo thing. COuld someone explain what the taking a demo means in my language. (noob-an-ese)

[Archangelus]

You can actually take a video of you playing. That is a demo.

I think I posted in this forum, a looooong time ago, how to bind your keys to do it.

-Arch