An E-mail I Received
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Archangelus
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Den,
I think the whole point is that according to any study something will kill us. Everything will kill us. As time as gone on, more and more information comes out and no one knows how much of it is true and unbiased, and how much of it is exactly what they want you to know. Many people go overboard with protecting their children which in of itself is fine, but this is what I think they wanted you to take away from this:
Life is something to be enjoyed and embraced, not feared. If we live each day in fear, then we can't truly enjoy life to it's fullest.
Now to one point I think you were getting at Den, is that I do agree that each generation's children actually grow-up in more difficult times than the previous. At least in the age of convenience (20's on). While we may have more entertainment, power, and money than previous generations, we seem to have more issues with drugs, violence, and poverty issues. Sure, in the 70's, drug use may have been more prevalent, but the drugs were not as envasive and devestating to it's users. Violence? Yeah, I think it's mainly BS that movies and video games cause violence, but I do think it's an input that could affect someone who was already headed down that path. Poverty...many people take education for granted, as well as the solace that their government will take care of them. Twenty-or-thirty years ago many people were too proud to take welfare, and many people had to fight hard for their educations. Now, taking welfare doesn't seem to bruise as many egos as it used to, and educations are flushed down the toilet because of reasons too numerous to mention.
So, as each generation potentially has greater concerns and issues to deal with as they are maturing, in turn, they are presented greater opportunities to make a difference.
If you thought government was powerful and oppressive when we were growing-up, you have no clue what's coming down the pipe. Not enough people take government with responsibility they should. The less we are involved, the more we give up the reigns. Sorry.....not trying to sound all political, just calling it as I see it....
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I think the whole point is that according to any study something will kill us. Everything will kill us. As time as gone on, more and more information comes out and no one knows how much of it is true and unbiased, and how much of it is exactly what they want you to know. Many people go overboard with protecting their children which in of itself is fine, but this is what I think they wanted you to take away from this:
Life is something to be enjoyed and embraced, not feared. If we live each day in fear, then we can't truly enjoy life to it's fullest.
Now to one point I think you were getting at Den, is that I do agree that each generation's children actually grow-up in more difficult times than the previous. At least in the age of convenience (20's on). While we may have more entertainment, power, and money than previous generations, we seem to have more issues with drugs, violence, and poverty issues. Sure, in the 70's, drug use may have been more prevalent, but the drugs were not as envasive and devestating to it's users. Violence? Yeah, I think it's mainly BS that movies and video games cause violence, but I do think it's an input that could affect someone who was already headed down that path. Poverty...many people take education for granted, as well as the solace that their government will take care of them. Twenty-or-thirty years ago many people were too proud to take welfare, and many people had to fight hard for their educations. Now, taking welfare doesn't seem to bruise as many egos as it used to, and educations are flushed down the toilet because of reasons too numerous to mention.
So, as each generation potentially has greater concerns and issues to deal with as they are maturing, in turn, they are presented greater opportunities to make a difference.
If you thought government was powerful and oppressive when we were growing-up, you have no clue what's coming down the pipe. Not enough people take government with responsibility they should. The less we are involved, the more we give up the reigns. Sorry.....not trying to sound all political, just calling it as I see it....
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Yay, people thinking.
The bulk of my post was focused on the last few lines of the chain mail: about government becoming an opressive body and recently being absurdly powerful at this point, not back then (started with television, and it empowered the government), politicians born in the 30's making it into office in the late seventies and eighties. The very kids from that age demographic targeted in the chain mail are now in office, in this administration that is unconstitutionally overpowered and is ruling social levels of such simple things in everyday life. The hippies were onto something, but it seems they forgot the point and let the government grow in more power to influence the average joe.
But as it is, these few kids from back then being in government with power, aren't the voice of every kid, their cultural views are no longer shared by this population, but still held onto by many from those old generations. Unlike how the government should be regulating and adapting the workings of the country to new thinking, the country over the last few years has been falling back to the Cold War era while screwing things up for today's generation.
While you kids from back then had a far more lenient and once unreligious government adhering to the constitution trying their damndest to make things work, your age is now the one in political power, and those guys are the ones making government crazy righteous and fucking up the current nation's generation lives NOW. They didn't regulate the lives of youth back then, but dudes from that demographic are doing that very thing to the 80's X0's demographic.
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The second point was in public violence in relation to a bunch of reply posts, and how everyone was in agreeance at how NOW is more dangerous than BACK THEN, less back then than it is now, which is a big lie spun by lots of moneymakers who want to enterprize on fear and sell all this "safety" shit among a lot of real-working safety equipment. Helmets actually work, kids don't need to get hurt to learn, rational explanation about why safety helmets are desired (not required) does better than a face of asphalt. I wore a helmet for about half a year, until I realized that I'm a good enough biker to not need one.
Violence since the early nineties has gone down three-fold, and yet it seems the nation is in danger from evil terrorists who are only but around the corner, ready to strike just in that half-second where you don't see your children as they turn it.
Things were downright terrible from the thirties through fifties, organized crime more orderly, efficent and paid than the local and federal law enforcement (and the 50-70s filled with all kinds of anarchists who were upset with what little power the government was gaining, but not anymore now since they are the ones in power). Nowadays, cops do a damned good job, and violence is way down, not like when they had one-way radios and had to call the dispatch with a telephone in the back of a diner. This isn't just one town, this is nation-wide: this nation is the safest it has ever been. EVER.
A bunch of loud-mouthed, radical thinkers in politics aren't going to lower the flux of violence and increase safety by spooking people into purchasing duct tape and beans while giving misinformation modernized from "Duck and Cover". Unless our very own extremists start really pushing the envelope and cause the violence themselves (which unfortunately is becoming a constant truth), this country is fine, your kids are safe, and duct tape on the doors won't do a damn thing against a biological agent.
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Do I really care, though? No. I'm hella content with what's going on. My state's doing its job, I know I'm perfectly safe, and I get to play videogames regardless of whatever Jack Thompson says.
The bulk of my post was focused on the last few lines of the chain mail: about government becoming an opressive body and recently being absurdly powerful at this point, not back then (started with television, and it empowered the government), politicians born in the 30's making it into office in the late seventies and eighties. The very kids from that age demographic targeted in the chain mail are now in office, in this administration that is unconstitutionally overpowered and is ruling social levels of such simple things in everyday life. The hippies were onto something, but it seems they forgot the point and let the government grow in more power to influence the average joe.
But as it is, these few kids from back then being in government with power, aren't the voice of every kid, their cultural views are no longer shared by this population, but still held onto by many from those old generations. Unlike how the government should be regulating and adapting the workings of the country to new thinking, the country over the last few years has been falling back to the Cold War era while screwing things up for today's generation.
While you kids from back then had a far more lenient and once unreligious government adhering to the constitution trying their damndest to make things work, your age is now the one in political power, and those guys are the ones making government crazy righteous and fucking up the current nation's generation lives NOW. They didn't regulate the lives of youth back then, but dudes from that demographic are doing that very thing to the 80's X0's demographic.
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The second point was in public violence in relation to a bunch of reply posts, and how everyone was in agreeance at how NOW is more dangerous than BACK THEN, less back then than it is now, which is a big lie spun by lots of moneymakers who want to enterprize on fear and sell all this "safety" shit among a lot of real-working safety equipment. Helmets actually work, kids don't need to get hurt to learn, rational explanation about why safety helmets are desired (not required) does better than a face of asphalt. I wore a helmet for about half a year, until I realized that I'm a good enough biker to not need one.
Violence since the early nineties has gone down three-fold, and yet it seems the nation is in danger from evil terrorists who are only but around the corner, ready to strike just in that half-second where you don't see your children as they turn it.
Things were downright terrible from the thirties through fifties, organized crime more orderly, efficent and paid than the local and federal law enforcement (and the 50-70s filled with all kinds of anarchists who were upset with what little power the government was gaining, but not anymore now since they are the ones in power). Nowadays, cops do a damned good job, and violence is way down, not like when they had one-way radios and had to call the dispatch with a telephone in the back of a diner. This isn't just one town, this is nation-wide: this nation is the safest it has ever been. EVER.
A bunch of loud-mouthed, radical thinkers in politics aren't going to lower the flux of violence and increase safety by spooking people into purchasing duct tape and beans while giving misinformation modernized from "Duck and Cover". Unless our very own extremists start really pushing the envelope and cause the violence themselves (which unfortunately is becoming a constant truth), this country is fine, your kids are safe, and duct tape on the doors won't do a damn thing against a biological agent.
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Do I really care, though? No. I'm hella content with what's going on. My state's doing its job, I know I'm perfectly safe, and I get to play videogames regardless of whatever Jack Thompson says.
Although much of that email is/was true - the fact is its those of us from those eras that created the way life is today - Im betting that there were many kids who were abused or around violent situations that we never heard of because it was Not "THE INFORMATION AGE" - news didn't travel as fast then as it does now - so we know of more things that are going on. Most of the violence and abuse was not done away from home it was done right in the home, thats why most of us spent all day not at home.
I think the most key point in all of that was the fact that kids did more stuff outside and didn't have to worry so much about obesity. Its a catch 22 if ya think about it - Keep Kids In and Safe they gain weight - or Let them out so they have plenty of exercise and dont get fat while risking sometihng terrible happening. <shrug>
Its life period - a cycle - News just travels faster now and children are taught to share their feelings just like adults.
I think the most key point in all of that was the fact that kids did more stuff outside and didn't have to worry so much about obesity. Its a catch 22 if ya think about it - Keep Kids In and Safe they gain weight - or Let them out so they have plenty of exercise and dont get fat while risking sometihng terrible happening. <shrug>
Its life period - a cycle - News just travels faster now and children are taught to share their feelings just like adults.
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Well, I never expected this to get all political and shit. I just thought I'd post it for a few laughs, but since its turmed into a heated debate, I will post one last time on this. I know absolutley nothing about politics and nor do I ever care to know so I will not try to match you wisdom on this. I have my own views and that is all. Hell, I'm not even registered to vote and nor will I ever register. So heres the last of what I have to say:
The Amber Alert was before Tom Ridge. http://www.codeamber.org/
The fact that I saw a pretty chart that said they interviewed 75,000 people in 42,000 homes of people over the age 12 twice a year, does not prove to me in anyway that my 2 children are safer now than when I grew up in the 70's and 80's.
I do not blame movies or video games, I lean more towards blaming the media for glorifying the crimes that are happening now. Now, do I also think that maybe we think there is more crime today than there was back then because the media thrives on these stories, sure I do.But as a parent who grew up then and has 2 childeren of his own growing up now, I see things very different and am very protective of them and will remain that way as long as I am in the face of this earth.
I guess as a parent with huge responsabillties you tend to see things in a different light.
And 1 other thing, my dad use to tell me this. When he was growing up in 50's nad 60's and there was 2 people in a bar that wanted to fight, they would go into the ally beside the bar, slug it out for 15min or so, then go back into the bar and buy each other a beer. Now, 2 people in a bar want to fight, and theres 6 dead cause fuckers use guns and can't shoot straight.
The Amber Alert was before Tom Ridge. http://www.codeamber.org/
The fact that I saw a pretty chart that said they interviewed 75,000 people in 42,000 homes of people over the age 12 twice a year, does not prove to me in anyway that my 2 children are safer now than when I grew up in the 70's and 80's.
I do not blame movies or video games, I lean more towards blaming the media for glorifying the crimes that are happening now. Now, do I also think that maybe we think there is more crime today than there was back then because the media thrives on these stories, sure I do.But as a parent who grew up then and has 2 childeren of his own growing up now, I see things very different and am very protective of them and will remain that way as long as I am in the face of this earth.
I guess as a parent with huge responsabillties you tend to see things in a different light.
And 1 other thing, my dad use to tell me this. When he was growing up in 50's nad 60's and there was 2 people in a bar that wanted to fight, they would go into the ally beside the bar, slug it out for 15min or so, then go back into the bar and buy each other a beer. Now, 2 people in a bar want to fight, and theres 6 dead cause fuckers use guns and can't shoot straight.
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lmao and den strikes again.
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Well done. now shut up and go outside and play. I do not want to see your face until dinner time or until the street lights come on. My friends were each others minders. I was born in 1970 and that was a great time to grow up in almost absolute freedom from the worries you see now, maybe some of that was , as ErosCinn points out, that the media is lightning quick and everywhere and always available now-a-days but I can't accept that as the whole reason (and I know you didn't say it was). it seems to me that todays kids are alot meaner (in general, I mean, so if your not then good for you) guns are easier to get and that's scary as hell too. I think it's because too many kids are wearing thier ball cap sideways and cutting off some blood supply to a much needed part of thier brain, I wonder if there is any person alive that has got an A average in school that has worn a ball cap that way? well I liked the original post as the nostalgic reminiscent humor it was meant for, the rest is all rant 
ah, death this is awesome.... I love reading arguments!
anyway..... I've never heard of 2 guys slugging it out in an ally then buying one another drinks. Now maybe there fighting for who gets the pay for the drinks. You hear more things now adays becasue women have more rights. If a women said she got rapped then the guy would said she suduced him. End of story no one seems to care about the girl. The thing about kids is that they were safe outside. The only dangerous thing was themselves, you never hear a pack of kids getting picked up by a bunch of old farts and gettiing "violated". You cant say that today is more dangerous than the 70's becasue there are new things to worry about. About once a month a kid gets taken away, in the nation. Back in the 70's you think that stuff got around as easily?
Mom always told me to yell fire.
anyway..... I've never heard of 2 guys slugging it out in an ally then buying one another drinks. Now maybe there fighting for who gets the pay for the drinks. You hear more things now adays becasue women have more rights. If a women said she got rapped then the guy would said she suduced him. End of story no one seems to care about the girl. The thing about kids is that they were safe outside. The only dangerous thing was themselves, you never hear a pack of kids getting picked up by a bunch of old farts and gettiing "violated". You cant say that today is more dangerous than the 70's becasue there are new things to worry about. About once a month a kid gets taken away, in the nation. Back in the 70's you think that stuff got around as easily?
Mom always told me to yell fire.
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All of the universe's zaniest choices were made by men, tricked into it by women.
But yeah, segregation is just about completely gone, and most racism/sexism has been on a steady decline for a long time (though lots still play those race/gender cards like it hasn't gone out of style). Surely if we ever meet space aliens, we'll be back to a bunch of "earth supremacists" who don't want "them damn astrobacks in 'ar world federation!"
But yeah, segregation is just about completely gone, and most racism/sexism has been on a steady decline for a long time (though lots still play those race/gender cards like it hasn't gone out of style). Surely if we ever meet space aliens, we'll be back to a bunch of "earth supremacists" who don't want "them damn astrobacks in 'ar world federation!"
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I've lived in Southend all my life. I was let out alone on the streets from the age of 7. I've never been run over, I've never been kidnapped and I've never been beaten up. My parents care loads for me, but they respect my individuality and let me go where I want. Hell I went up to London to see some friends 2 days after the bombings and my parents just did as usual and waved me goodbye.
There's a load of bad things that happen in the world today. But absolutely NONE of it has ever come within 40 miles of me (distance to London). I feel totally safe out on the streets. I have no fears of being mugged or whatever. Too many people have the arrogancy to think that they are an important target for some no-brained terrorist halfway across the globe.
I still can't see what everyone is so worried about. Frankly if you're gonna get bombed, you'll get bombed. It's not much use worrying about it.
There's a load of bad things that happen in the world today. But absolutely NONE of it has ever come within 40 miles of me (distance to London). I feel totally safe out on the streets. I have no fears of being mugged or whatever. Too many people have the arrogancy to think that they are an important target for some no-brained terrorist halfway across the globe.
I still can't see what everyone is so worried about. Frankly if you're gonna get bombed, you'll get bombed. It's not much use worrying about it.
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