everything he says still holds true, we still take care of 90% of the humanitarian aid in the world, we still develop the best technology that is used by the rest of the world and we still represent over 85% of the UN deployed troops in the world.
pretty much end of story there, I never said we do nothing wrong, we just do a hell of a lot more RIGHT for the rest of the world. I stated that it was from 1973, I was not pulling any punches or trying to decieve....
gordon sinclare died in 1983 fyi so hard to ask him
Check it, Check it, Check it out
Osama bin Ladan - started his career as a terrorist by taking a job by the US to terrorize Russians with US funding and training. After that the US turned their backs completely. (basic terrorist funding)
Iran - The US did not like the democratic president there about 30 years ago due to his oil sanctions and so they made a regime change and installed a dictator. (basic terrorism)
Saddam Hussein - Went to war with Iran with the US blessing and many US weapons and technology. This helped the US drop the numbers of both countries without joining in. (basic terrorist funding)
You can actually keep listing the funding of terrorism and actions the US has taken over the last 30-40 years. Of course it isn't called "terrorism" when it is US funded, only if it happens to the US.
Also you should check out the papers and statements by Robert MacNamera. He stated that during the time Russia has missiles stationed in Cuba, the US drew up various plans and ways of manipulating the public to allow the US to attack Cuba.
One of these methods was to have a few quick missile strikes against various US targets, and then tell the public they were missiles from Cuba. Just something to think about.
Iran - The US did not like the democratic president there about 30 years ago due to his oil sanctions and so they made a regime change and installed a dictator. (basic terrorism)
Saddam Hussein - Went to war with Iran with the US blessing and many US weapons and technology. This helped the US drop the numbers of both countries without joining in. (basic terrorist funding)
You can actually keep listing the funding of terrorism and actions the US has taken over the last 30-40 years. Of course it isn't called "terrorism" when it is US funded, only if it happens to the US.
Also you should check out the papers and statements by Robert MacNamera. He stated that during the time Russia has missiles stationed in Cuba, the US drew up various plans and ways of manipulating the public to allow the US to attack Cuba.
One of these methods was to have a few quick missile strikes against various US targets, and then tell the public they were missiles from Cuba. Just something to think about.
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http://www.usaid.gov/press/factsheets/
keep listing, that link is just for what we have done for the world THIS YEAR... you have three items from the past 30.... I never said america was an angel, just stating we do more good than bad, so go to that link and start looking at what we have given to the world in the past 10 months
keep listing, that link is just for what we have done for the world THIS YEAR... you have three items from the past 30.... I never said america was an angel, just stating we do more good than bad, so go to that link and start looking at what we have given to the world in the past 10 months
Ok maybe you don't get the point.
If Osama bin Laden right NOW decided to give $20,000,000 to an actual charity organization, or send help to people in some way... is he now a good guy?
Can you tell me why it was different that the US continually has contracted and promoted terrorism over the history of the country?
If Osama bin Laden right NOW decided to give $20,000,000 to an actual charity organization, or send help to people in some way... is he now a good guy?
Can you tell me why it was different that the US continually has contracted and promoted terrorism over the history of the country?
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That's a great link you gave me, considering the reason the majority of countries on that page need aid is BECAUSE of the US.
Here are some countries that have been attacked with TERRORISM by the United States over the last 100 years:
Columbia
Nicaragua
Dominican Republic
Guatemala
Panama
Brazil
El Salvador
Grenada
Cuba
Chile
Haiti
Costa Rica
“The greatest crime since World War II has been U.S. foreign policy.â€
— Ramsey Clark
former U.S. Attorney General
under President Lyndon Johnson
Here are some countries that have been attacked with TERRORISM by the United States over the last 100 years:
Columbia
Nicaragua
Dominican Republic
Guatemala
Panama
Brazil
El Salvador
Grenada
Cuba
Chile
Haiti
Costa Rica
“The greatest crime since World War II has been U.S. foreign policy.â€
— Ramsey Clark
former U.S. Attorney General
under President Lyndon Johnson
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I think it is you that does not get it. America saves many many thousands of lives every year. During the cold war era we fought against communists for control of the planet, I dont deny that for a second. America may invade a country for whatever political reasons, but when we are done we leave and let them rule themselves vs the USSR that made satalite countrys under strict control.
I dont always agree with what america does on a military level, but our goal is a stable world vs conqouring the world.
in the end, when you talk about middle east stuff, I will say it again, they have been fighting for 3000 years, what side you pick is not a factor in my opinion and I feel we should just get out of it as safely as possible for our brave soldiers.
My opinion is america should back out of everything, economic aide, militarily, everything. Then when the world has need they can ask. Of course this wont last long, because the world will say "come back with all your money and military because it is turning into chaos here and people are dying around the world"... but at least then they will ask plainly for us to be who we are.
I dont like a lot of the things our government has done, but I feel the good outweighs the bad at this point.
In the end Iraq was the right thing to do because an evil man who opressed his people is out of power. Afganistan was the right thing to do because the government was run by Osama behind the scenes and it was a breeding ground for terrorists.
On the other side of the coin we need to stop pandering to the Isralies and not play favorites with them. 90% of the arab hate of america stems from that one situation.
you keep listing, throw iran/contra into the mix, does not matter to me, america is constantly and continually working to better the world, and if we make some mistakes or people have a power trip then that is going to happen, lets face it we have absolute power and it is lucky for the world we have kept a check on any kind of true war mongering and emerialism.
I dont always agree with what america does on a military level, but our goal is a stable world vs conqouring the world.
in the end, when you talk about middle east stuff, I will say it again, they have been fighting for 3000 years, what side you pick is not a factor in my opinion and I feel we should just get out of it as safely as possible for our brave soldiers.
My opinion is america should back out of everything, economic aide, militarily, everything. Then when the world has need they can ask. Of course this wont last long, because the world will say "come back with all your money and military because it is turning into chaos here and people are dying around the world"... but at least then they will ask plainly for us to be who we are.
I dont like a lot of the things our government has done, but I feel the good outweighs the bad at this point.
In the end Iraq was the right thing to do because an evil man who opressed his people is out of power. Afganistan was the right thing to do because the government was run by Osama behind the scenes and it was a breeding ground for terrorists.
On the other side of the coin we need to stop pandering to the Isralies and not play favorites with them. 90% of the arab hate of america stems from that one situation.
you keep listing, throw iran/contra into the mix, does not matter to me, america is constantly and continually working to better the world, and if we make some mistakes or people have a power trip then that is going to happen, lets face it we have absolute power and it is lucky for the world we have kept a check on any kind of true war mongering and emerialism.
reference american terrorism to these places for me please, would love to see it. We have had military operations in some of these locations, but terrorism I do not agree with at all. I define terrorism as intentional attacks against civilian targets fyi.Imperil wrote:That's a great link you gave me, considering the reason the majority of countries on that page need aid is BECAUSE of the US.
Here are some countries that have been attacked with TERRORISM by the United States over the last 100 years:
Columbia
Nicaragua
Dominican Republic
Guatemala
Panama
Brazil
El Salvador
Grenada
Cuba
Chile
Haiti
Costa Rica
“The greatest crime since World War II has been U.S. foreign policy.â€
— Ramsey Clark
former U.S. Attorney General
under President Lyndon Johnson
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I know that some people think we can hold hands and sing songs together, but unfortuneately the world is a violent and nasty place.
If I had a friend in high school that I hung out with, and 8 years later I read in the paper that he murdered a family of 6 ... am I guilty of association because I was his auto mechanic buddy in shop class?
My point is that the world is dynamic, things change and we have to do the best we can as humans.
I think what bothers people is the FACT that everyone reading this forum right now would be a lampshade, bar of soap or speaking German/Russian/Japanese -or- no language at all, but experience life as a simple bacteria in a soup of desolation if it were not for the United States.
As much as the world would like to illusion themselves that we (the US) are evil, it does not take too much imagination what would happen if we were gone. You would all be enslaved.
Enjoy freedom while you have it.
If I had a friend in high school that I hung out with, and 8 years later I read in the paper that he murdered a family of 6 ... am I guilty of association because I was his auto mechanic buddy in shop class?
My point is that the world is dynamic, things change and we have to do the best we can as humans.
I think what bothers people is the FACT that everyone reading this forum right now would be a lampshade, bar of soap or speaking German/Russian/Japanese -or- no language at all, but experience life as a simple bacteria in a soup of desolation if it were not for the United States.
As much as the world would like to illusion themselves that we (the US) are evil, it does not take too much imagination what would happen if we were gone. You would all be enslaved.
Enjoy freedom while you have it.
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Archangelus
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