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PooMonkey · Post by **PooMonkey** » Wed Oct 13, 2004 9:49 am

CLINTON VS. BUSH: What a REAL presidency looks like...

Clinton invades Kosovo, zero US combat losses.
Bush invades Iraq, 1,075 US service members dead and rising.

Clinton invades Kosovo and captures Milosevic.
Bush invades Afghanistan and lets Osama get away.

Clinton invades Kosovo, our troops have food and armor.
Bush invades Iraq, our troops are buying body armor on eBay and begging Iraqi civilians for food.

Clinton invades Kosovo, civilians greet us with flowers.
Bush invades Iraq, civilians cut off our heads.

WTC attacked when Clinton is president, only 6 people die.
WTC attacked when Bush is president, nearly 3,000 people die.

Clinton lies about a blowjob.
Bush lies about a war.

Clinton was elected by the people.
Bush was selected by the court.

Number of US planes hijacked while Clinton was president: Zero.
Number of US planes hijacked while Bush was president: 4

Clinton creates a record budget surplus in 8 years.
Bush creates a record budget deficit in 4 years.

Price of gas during Clinton presidency: $1/gal.
Price of gas during Bush president: $2/gal.

A big Clinton scandal: Firing some travel office employees.
A big Bush scandal: Abu Ghraib

Clinton held 42 solo news conferences.
Bush held 15 solo news conferences.

Number of new words invented by Clinton: Zero.
Number of new words created by Bush: A lot more than zero.

Number of gay family members betrayed by Clinton-Gore: Zero.
Number of gay family members betrayed by Bush-Cheney: One.

Clinton created the largest economic expansion in over 40 years.
Bush created the largest job loss since Herbert Hoover.

Clinton likes his fried chicken.
Bush likes his liquor.

Clinton tried pot.
Bush used cocaine.

Clinton's daughter has grown into a lovely young woman.
Bush's daughters get publicly drunk and arrested.

Clinton's wife never killed anybody.
Bush's did.

Kilroy · Post by **Kilroy** » Wed Oct 13, 2004 10:42 am

Forgot one:
Clinton gives up opportunities to take Bin Laden out
Bush forced to deal with the consequences

DenKirson · Post by **DenKirson** » Wed Oct 13, 2004 11:08 am

Here's a follow up.

Clinton passes on attacking Osama in order to not have just about the whole world ostracizing the US.
Bush makes the US look like a real dick. A real stupid dick, too, in not actually catching the guy.

Kilroy · Post by **Kilroy** » Wed Oct 13, 2004 11:51 am

Counter-point.
Ostracized for taking out the leader of an international terrorist network? Hmm, that doesn't strike me as something that would piss off the majority of the world. If consideration of world opinion was the reasoning, Clinton's launching of cruise missles at Al-Quaida bases in Afghanistan was surely no less hostile or ruthless.

PooMonkey · Post by **PooMonkey** » Wed Oct 13, 2004 12:03 pm

Did Clinton gets lots of american soldiers killed looking for Osama... Ummm nope, Did Bush get lots of american soldiers killed... Yup. Did Bush get Bin Laden ummm... Nope. Did Bush ignore the UN... Yup. That is how you piss off the rest of the world.

Yazule · Post by **Yazule** » Wed Oct 13, 2004 12:27 pm

PooMonkey wrote:CLINTON VS. BUSH: What a REAL presidency looks like...

Clinton invades Kosovo, zero US combat losses.
Bush invades Iraq, 1,075 US service members dead and rising.

Clinton just went in to calm things down, not to remove an evil man from power and set up a democracy

Clinton invades Kosovo and captures Milosevic.
Bush invades Afghanistan and lets Osama get away.

yeah, clinton ignored Osama even though he was our enemy then too

Clinton invades Kosovo, our troops have food and armor.
Bush invades Iraq, our troops are buying body armor on eBay and begging Iraqi civilians for food.

true about the armor, false about the food, the problem was congress took too long to aprove funding

Clinton invades Kosovo, civilians greet us with flowers.
Bush invades Iraq, civilians cut off our heads.

umm dude, it is the middle east, they have been killing each other for over 3000 years. The things they have done to their own people (killing olympic athletes for not getting a gold medal) show that these people are "different"

WTC attacked when Clinton is president, only 6 people die.
WTC attacked when Bush is president, nearly 3,000 people die.

how is that related to a president in any way? they learned from the first bombing and figured out a better mousetrap

Clinton lies about a blowjob.
Bush lies about a war.

all politicians are liers, no big news there

Clinton was elected by the people.
Bush was selected by the court.

gore won the popular vote, bush won the electoral vote, has happened I think 4 times in american history, a flaw in the system but not bush's fault. In actuality if Gore had won the lawsuit and they counted the votes that he wanted recounted Bush would still be president, but if they had recounted the entire state Gore would have won... ironic isnt it?

Number of US planes hijacked while Clinton was president: Zero.
Number of US planes hijacked while Bush was president: 4

how is this related to a president in any way? we dont control terrorists, but they did bomb 3 embasy's while clinton was in office

Clinton creates a record budget surplus in 8 years.
Bush creates a record budget deficit in 4 years.

this one is silly, REGAN appointed greenspan, and he is the reason our market did so well during the clinton administration, you can thank Regan for our great market over 14 years.

Deficit was due to an over valued market, again related to greenspan proping it up for years, budget is related to taxes which are directly related to the stock market and profits. Bush had nothing to do with the market fall, it had to adjust as it was over valued. Add 9/11 to that and the tax base of the country dropped aproximately 25% meaning the government lost all that cash and had to retaliate for 9/11 (120 billion I think). Anyone that would have been elected would have had these same problems, has nothing to do with the state of our president.

Price of gas during Clinton presidency: $1/gal.
Price of gas during Bush president: $2/gal.

When I was 16 gas was $.9/gallon, in the clinton years it was about 1.50 and now it is 2.00 .... looks pretty linear to me, it is called inflation. Gas has been insanely cheap in this country for years and is finally adjusting to the instability of all the major oil producing nations. This is a non issue, just life. Tobacco on the other hand was $1 for a pack when I was 18 and now is $5 a pack.... looks like gas is not that big of a deal.

A big Clinton scandal: Firing some travel office employees.
A big Bush scandal: Abu Ghraib

Clinton actively fired them vs Abu Ghraib was Oficers in the Military not the president. I honestly do not believe that Bush had any active role in the problems, but he was active in putting together the tribunal that is prossecuting the people involved.

Clinton held 42 solo news conferences.
Bush held 15 solo news conferences.

15/4 = 3.75/year

42/8 = 6/year

not that big of a difference to me, besides Clinton played the charisma card, we all know Bush is not all that Charismatic. So Clinton pandered more, big deal

Number of new words invented by Clinton: Zero.
Number of new words created by Bush: A lot more than zero.

so Bush is more creative than Clinton good for him! I invent words when I need to as well.

Number of gay family members betrayed by Clinton-Gore: Zero.
Number of gay family members betrayed by Bush-Cheney: One.

ahh, now you bring cheney into the picture, well go up a couple of topics and realize that cheney was on national television 23 times in the past 4 years in a DEBATE forum with people grilling him and him defending Their policies instead of solo throwing spin at the american public.

I do not agree with Cheney's opinion of gay marriage, but he stood up for what he believed in even though his gay family was well known. It is obvious the media would hook on to this, and I applaud him for having the balls to say what he felt

Clinton created the largest economic expansion in over 40 years.
Bush created the largest job loss since Herbert Hoover.

Clinton signed NAFTA, taking thousands of jobs out of this country, the only economic expansion was due to Greenspan (see above). NAFTA is one of the reasons that our market became over inflated and had to pop, blame Clinton for the market fall if anyone. Presidents do not effect the economy much at all, it is all the leader of the FED, though presidents blundering can HURT the economy, hard for them to help it.

Clinton likes his fried chicken.
Bush likes his liquor.
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+10 brownie points for Bush for tellin it like it is, Clinon is a known drinker, and smoker (funny stuff) but hid it.... we are all human, Clinton was just secretive about it

Clinton tried pot.
Bush used cocaine.
I garuntee both tried both, and probably acid too... who hasnt? But Clinton "didnt inhale" haha gimme a break.

Clinton's daughter has grown into a lovely young woman.
Bush's daughters get publicly drunk and arrested.
All three of them are probably drunken sluts

Clinton's wife never killed anybody.
Bush's did.

no Idea where this comes from so cant comment

Imperil · Post by **Imperil** » Wed Oct 13, 2004 12:32 pm

Yaz, on the last point.

Laura Bush killed her ex-boyfriend after an argument about seeing George Bush (before marrying George). She hit him with a car "accidentally" and he died.

Also saying Clinton ignored Osama and Bush didn't is just plainly biased guys. I mean Bush TOTALLY ignored Osama until 9/11.. you can be damn sure if that happened during Clinton's presidency he would have taken interest afterward. Both men are at fault.

Although I don't believe Clinton would have let him get away.

Yazule · Post by **Yazule** » Wed Oct 13, 2004 12:33 pm

haha stupid bitch, I wouldnt marry a black widow, but such is love

and as far as catching osama, gimme a break, the guy ruled afganistan from behind the scenes and has millions of dollars not to mention thousands of people that would give their life to protect him.

the guy lurks in the shadows, if I had his resources and being as inteligent as I am, I would never be caught.

Imperil · Post by **Imperil** » Wed Oct 13, 2004 12:34 pm

Yeah it might have been hard to catch him.. I can agree with that.

But you have to admit saying that Clinton ignored Osama and Bush didn't is completely biased. If you honestly think Bush would have even thought of the name Osama once during his presidency if 9/11 didn't happen, you gotta realize he'd still be on vacation

Yazule · Post by **Yazule** » Wed Oct 13, 2004 12:47 pm

well, the whole first post is biased, so I am just spinning in the other direction, the truth lies somewhere in the middle.

Post by **Archangelus** » Wed Oct 13, 2004 12:47 pm

I invoke my standard of not getting into political discussions, but I will just go on record as saying that you give way too much credit to Greenspan for the economy and not enough credit/responsiblity to the President/Congress that enact economic policy.

Reagan -> Great president, stable but stagnant economy.
Bush -> Ok president, terrible economy, significant recession.
Clinton -> Great president, good economic reform, booming economy.
Dubya -> Terrible president, awful economic decisions, potential of two recessions under his one-4-year term. On top of that, the only President to end a term (not necessarily the Presidency) with fewer jobs than when they entered.

-Arch

Yazule · Post by **Yazule** » Wed Oct 13, 2004 12:56 pm

I guess I dont understand what you mean by economic policies from the pres and congress, the FED controls the prime rate, which is the greatest factor in spending power, credit and consumer confidence. What kind of economic policies does the government invoke that directly affects the market? Seems to me that tax breaks and refunds is about thier only economic influence.

and I stand by the fact that our market had to readjust and was over valued, which caused the loss of workers due to lost profits and revinue by pretty much every major company in the US. I mean c'mon the tech market was just insane, Yahoo going for 185 a share and never turning a profit?

Yazule · Post by **Yazule** » Wed Oct 13, 2004 12:59 pm

one last comment... poo, you are canadian right? what are you doing throwing out US presidential stuff lol

ok, I am done with this thread, but it was fun

PooMonkey · Post by **PooMonkey** » Wed Oct 13, 2004 1:30 pm

Well Yaz let me tell you

In my opinion oh wait most of the worlds opinion except some Americans who can't see the forest for the trees. He is a complete moron who probably can't even spell his own name. No matter what we do living in Canada, Great Britain or Iraq what your president does affects everyone's lives. Lucky for us he is too inept to create a good economy, meaning our canadian dollar is on the rise. C'mon guys for real he is an idiot and everyone but the american public can see it. Mind you not all of the U.S. is not blind to this. Maybe it is a pride thing, no1 wants to admit they hired a complete moron to run their country. I watched CNN the other night and they had a world vote to see which country would elect who as president. LOL the only country that said they would vote Bush back into office was France lol if that doesn't prove it to you nothing will.

Imperil · Post by **Imperil** » Wed Oct 13, 2004 1:31 pm

PooMonkey wrote: LOL the only country that said they would vote Bush back into office was France lol if that doesn't prove it to you nothing will.

ROFL!

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